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Creating Camera Profiles for Capture One Pro with Lumariver – Updated (Podcast 718)

An updated review of the Lumariver Profile Designer software which now makes it easier than ever to create camera profiles for Capture One Pro.

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10 Comments
  • Mike Sharp
    Posted at 22:17h, 19 September Reply

    Great info Martin,

    Would I need to create a different profile for each camera/lens combination? Or is one profile sufficient?

    • Martin Bailey
      Posted at 15:37h, 22 September Reply

      Hi Mike,

      Many years ago I used to create profiles for many different White Balances, but I find that if you create one profile at around 5000 Kelvin, it is good for most, if not all, images. I created a profile for my 5Ds R and for my EOS R and I only ever used and needed that one profile. In my opinion that is enough.

      Regards,
      Martin.

  • Dan Dill
    Posted at 23:24h, 19 September Reply

    Martin, is there a difference between your profile and the EOS R5 profile Capture One supplies? If so, is this because of differences in your specific camera, or is it because the Lumariver software permits the creation of a better generic EOS R5 profile?

    Thank you.
    Dan

    • Martin Bailey
      Posted at 15:42h, 22 September Reply

      Hi Dan,

      If you can’t see the difference in the before/after slider, then your display can’t show you the difference, and it probably wouldn’t be worth it to you. On my displays, the colored cells on the ColorChecker SG are more vibrant than with the standard Capture One Pro profile, so I’ll be using the new profile because I like my color work to be more colorful.

      I don’t necessarily think that the generic profile is bad or lower quality, but I think it is probably a ‘safer’ profile to include for use with every image created. I couldn’t tell you why it’s different, but like with printing, I always like to create my own profile with my own gear, as that does generally give slightly better results.

      Regards,
      Martin.

  • Wallace Shackleton
    Posted at 15:11h, 22 September Reply

    I hope that you take this as constructive comments Martin, It has been two years since the first Lumariver podcast and for the benefit of new listeners, you could have explained why you wanted to make colour profiles for Capture One.
    Did you know that X-Rite now have support for C1?
    The workflow is very similar, although to be honest and objective, it didn’t work for me and the Fuji profile that I made. It’s on my roundtoitlist to find out why.
    As an aside, you must be hurting really bad with the lockdown restrictions and the loss of revenue from your workshops, how about getting some relief from the severe technical content of your podcasts and just get out somewhere with those new cameras of yours, even to the local park and just shoot some photos. My sanity anchor was just being able to get out once a day for a walk with one of my cameras, photographing a wide variety of subjects, which increased my familiarity with my cameras and widened my photographic scope.

    • Martin Bailey
      Posted at 15:49h, 22 September Reply

      Hi Wallace,

      Good point, and yes, taken constructively.

      Yes, I do know that X-Rite now supports Capture One Pro, but the last time I tried I did not get good results. I’ll try again soon as it’s been a few years. I did provide my feedback to the X-Rite team as a member of their Coloratti, but I did not hear back, despite them coming to me directly to help with their testing. Interesting that you couldn’t get the X-Rite solution to work as well though. Maybe they still haven’t ironed out the issues that I also ran into.

      We’re not locked down here in Tokyo as such, but we’ve been asked to stay in-state for the last few months, and most of my favorite places to shoot our in other prefectures, so yes, it’s been a bit stressful. I’ve been shooting some, but I’m more stuck in trying to complete the latest update of my Photographer’s Friend app. I just made two huge leaps forward though, hence coming up for air and answering these few comments, and I’m hoping to get on top of this update very soon. Hopefully in time to go and shoot some autumn colour. 🙂

      Stay well and safe, and thanks for taking the time to comment.

      Regards,
      Martin.

  • Ronald Stewart
    Posted at 02:33h, 16 December Reply

    Hi Martin,

    First off, thank you for this detailed write-up. I’ve been looking for another option after failing with Xrites software; they just haven’t figured out how to set the black point correctly. This really helped, I made a test run in the trial version of Lumariver. Since it’s only the trial version, I cannot save it out, but I was able to do a screen side-by-side with the new ProStandard profile from CaptureOne for my Sony A7rM3 and wow, they seem really similar. Have you had the chance to look at these upgraded profiles from Capture one? I used the profiles with a recent product shoot and they were really bang on. I’m not the biggest fan of how it affected the skin, which is why I’m now thinking about upgrading my color target with something that covers more flesh tones.

    Do you have any experience with the CMP color targets ( http://www.cmp-color.fr/eng%20digital%20target.html)? It looks like there are new options. I was thinking perhaps the Digital Mini as it seems more like an enhanced XritePassport (portable) ; or the standard digital edition to create the base profile and when I need other color-critical custom profiles; I would use the passport for general white balance selections.

    The profile I get from x-rite (minus the black issue) is really different; far more vibrant. I’m not sure if this is, in itself, a result of the incorrect black values.

    Just looking for your thoughts.

    Thanks again,

    Ronald

    • Martin Bailey
      Posted at 09:13h, 17 December Reply

      Hi Ronald,

      I’m pleased that you found this useful. Unfortunately, I only have experience with my X-Rite color targets, so I can’t really comment. If the CMP targets are supported by Lumariver, maybe it would be best to email the Lumariver developers directly. They are generally responsive and helpful, so should be able to point you in the right direction.

      Regards,
      Martin.

    • Katrina
      Posted at 12:30h, 22 January Reply

      I run an art reproduction shop and its been quite a journey trying to find a good solution for color calibration. The software from Datacolor and X-Rite both are not good, switching to Lumariver Repro Edition was the best thing I ever did – not only does it give much better results on those cards, but it opens up the possibility of custom cards (assuming you have the tools to read in the color data from them). I actually just got two cards from CMP in the mail today (their Mini and Studio versions) I’m waiting on them to send me the data file to read into Lumariver but I’m anxious to try them out 🙂

      • Martin Bailey
        Posted at 15:42h, 24 January Reply

        I haven’t used Datacolor for more than ten years now, so I wouldn’t know about their software. The X-Rite software is good at some things, but Lumariver is currently the only way I can create profiles for use in Capture One Pro. X-Rite was working on this and I helped them with their testing for a while, and then they fell silent, so I’m not sure what happened.

        Still, I’m pleased you are enjoying working with the Lumariver products. I am really finding them useful too.

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